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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:44 pm 
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After identifying the year, I noted a LK5 mark on the toe of the buttstock. Just curious. Rifle brought back by a USMC helicopter pilot friend who was there in the early (64-65) days No, there is no paperwork, no DD form, no pink slip from RVN. I joked with him that all of these French rifles I'd seen were beat crapless. Turns out most that were picked up on one of his forays had the buttplates cut off, no bayonets and were beat. This was the pick of the litter. Bayonet even. Sling was string (now gone). Dents and scrape marks all over the stock. Took some time after I got it to clean the bore. Now shoots well all things considered. During Tet '68 these old rifles still turned up--beat, no buttplates (adjusting for length of pull I suppose). Only thing I wanted to pick up was a MAT 49 but time didn't allow. So, after another boring story, what the heck does "LK5" mean anyway.

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Wullfster: It is supposed to be a German Landwehr mark, ie: Landes Kreis ....I do not know for sure, just that a lot of pre war French guns turn up with this mark, and not just LK 5. No one has found definitive proof, just that it is a war time German mark.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:54 am 
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Thanks! I'll ad this rifle to my "if only they could talk" classification. Actualy, all military rifles fall into that group. Its part of what makes it all interesting and, if they hit what you're aiming at, FUN! Kind of wish I'd been able to hang onto the MAT 49. Another vet told me a story about his outfit (Army) coming across a stash of MAS 36 rifles in decent shape but without bolts. Bulldozer used to recycle them. "Landwehr" = ? Thanks again Dale.

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Wullfster: I did the Tet '68 too....saw tons of neat guns, taken from the enemy...Lots of French rifles and handguns as well...

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Mein Deutsch is rusty but I think Landwehr is National Army!

A little younger than you guys, but my dad did Tet he was at Tan Son Nhut AB, he was with the 16 TRS. I still recall his remark about Tet, "I always thought it was a R & R center until January 30th, 1968. That was when I realized I was in a combat zone."

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Basically, this marking was for the Nazi Landwehr and Volkssturm, if that is what it really is. Late war...

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LK5 is currently an unknown marking, but has been assumed to be 'Luftgau Kommando 5.' However, this doesn't hold up to the kind of scrutiny offered by referencing wartime German abbreviations, which don't accord with that definition. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the Landwehr or Volkssturm.

What is clear is that all of the known examples appear to have been recovered in France by US personnel, except for those found in France and in French collection right now. French arms dominate the LK5 marked examples, but there are others from other countries known. For example, I own a LK5 marked Yugoslav Model 1924 Mauser. These are also associated with a one or two digit number stamped (on MAS 36 rifles) on the grip flat, and on the wrist on other types of rifles, like Berthier carbines. Most of mine also display other indications of German rework and use, like blued bolts and serial numbers on components not numbered in original French production.

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Thanks to all for the info. This rifle does have "16" on grip flat and blued bolt. I'm assuming that, after the war, it could have migrated to Indochina. There was no shortage of French weaponry there--some decent, most beat up.

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wullfster wrote:
Thanks to all for the info. This rifle does have "16" on grip flat and blued bolt. I'm assuming that, after the war, it could have migrated to Indochina. There was no shortage of French weaponry there--some decent, most beat up.


Wullfster,
That sounds consistent with other MAS 36 rifles observed with this marking, including my own.

As regards the Vietnam connection, are you certain your's came from there? I'm not doubting your friend, but Vietnam bring-backs are invariably beat down, rusted and with disintegrating wood, due not only to the conditions of use, but improper storage and the climate. It's entirely possible that it did come back from there, especially considering that it could have been removed from German possession in France itself in 1944 and then reintegrated into the French supply system post-war.

Have any photos of it?

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