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Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#1 Post by Ken W » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:50 am

I acquired this rifle off of a young individual at a local show. It has been.....messed with a bit but thankfully not chopped and hacked up, a.k.a sporterized. Unfortunately someone had mounted a Lyman sight, which I have removed, and have replaced the original trigger with a Timney trigger. What I find odd is that all of the Norwegian rifles I've seen that have been converted to 30-06 have had 7.62 stamped on the barrel. This one does not but is indeed in 30-06. First I thought that a new owner changed it out themselves but the barrel on it has the import stamps on it so it came into the country like this. With a 30-06 bullet being smaller than an 8mm one it can't be a re-bore and I don't see any signs of an obvious barrel sleeve. I've taken a bunch of pics of stampings on various areas. The XX5 one is on the barrel forward of the original sight. There's also a lot of glue like substance in the stock, some sort of bedding. I assume the same knob that did the sight and trigger did this as well. Anybody see or have one of these in 30-06 but with no apparent markings to indicate that caliber?
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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#4 Post by damorealan696 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Beautiful rifle. I like original guns, but I would gladly buy one skillfully modified. Of course, my eyes are shot, and the sight would be a big help

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#5 Post by Ken W » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:26 pm

damorealan696 wrote:
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Beautiful rifle. I like original guns, but I would gladly buy one skillfully modified. Of course, my eyes are shot, and the sight would be a big help
Thanks. My eyesight isn't what it used to be either, unfortunately. A few months ago I was at a match and didn't bother taking the last round of shots at one point because I couldn't see the targets. Granted they were small and a few hundred yards out. Still.....others were hitting them. :(

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:22 pm

Very odd that the rifle did not have the "KAL 7.62 M/M" stamped on the barrel adjacent to the HAER receiver mark. Fantastic rifles & one Mauser type I want, but not have seen at WI gun showman the last 15 years.
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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#7 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:36 pm

you know a stupid thought, could someone have replaced the barrel ?????

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#8 Post by Ken W » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:48 am

72 usmc wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:22 pm
Very odd that the rifle did not have the "KAL 7.62 M/M" stamped on the barrel adjacent to the HAER receiver mark. Fantastic rifles & one Mauser type I want, but not have seen at WI gun showman the last 15 years.
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Thanks for the link 72 usmc. I hadn't seen either of those 2 videos before. Really surprising that I missed the Forgotten Weapons one since I regularly watch Ian's content.
I see my rifle didn't get the reinforcing bolt addition by the trigger either.
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you know a stupid thought, could someone have replaced the barrel ?????

indy1919a4, I mentioned in the original post that that had been the first thing that occurred to me. The barrel has the original CAI import marks on it so if it was swapped it happened in Norway before it was exported. I imagine some mishap might have transpired with the original army replacement barrel and it was subsequently replaced again. The damage couldn't have been catastrophic though since the rear sight is original to the rifle. The front one has a very light Waffenamt on the front but not serialized.

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#9 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:07 pm

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indy1919a4, I mentioned in the original post that that had been the first thing that occurred to me. The barrel has the original CAI import marks on it so if it was swapped it happened in Norway before it was exported. I imagine some mishap might have transpired with the original army replacement barrel and it was subsequently replaced again. The damage couldn't have been catastrophic though since the rear sight is original to the rifle. The front one has a very light Waffenamt on the front but not serialized.
I am sure you are correct, but from some ingenuity that man can show when it comes gunsmithing, Just because a barrel is marked with an import stamp does not mean the barrel came in on that receiver.. Some of these guys do change out things.. Heck if you had not checked the caliber I would have held out hope that it was a Naval gun that was still in 8mm. Now that would have been sweet, I do not know if I have ever seen one of those.

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#10 Post by Ken W » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:07 pm
Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:48 am

indy1919a4, I mentioned in the original post that that had been the first thing that occurred to me. The barrel has the original CAI import marks on it so if it was swapped it happened in Norway before it was exported. I imagine some mishap might have transpired with the original army replacement barrel and it was subsequently replaced again. The damage couldn't have been catastrophic though since the rear sight is original to the rifle. The front one has a very light Waffenamt on the front but not serialized.
I am sure you are correct, but from some ingenuity that man can show when it comes gunsmithing, Just because a barrel is marked with an import stamp does not mean the barrel came in on that receiver.. Some of these guys do change out things.. Heck if you had not checked the caliber I would have held out hope that it was a Naval gun that was still in 8mm. Now that would have been sweet, I do not know if I have ever seen one of those.
Good point. It very well could have been taken off of another rifle here. It would have been great for it to be a Naval version for sure. I have never seen one of those either. I was really hoping that someone would recognize the XX5 stamp on the barrel as a possible clue to it's origin.

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#11 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:47 pm

Ken W wrote:
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It would have been great for it to be a Naval version for sure. I have never seen one of those either.
You know another one I have never seen are some of those that were converted again to 7.62x51.. that would be neat also...

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#12 Post by Ken W » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:26 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:47 pm
Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm

It would have been great for it to be a Naval version for sure. I have never seen one of those either.
You know another one I have never seen are some of those that were converted again to 7.62x51.. that would be neat also...
Definitely. I wonder how many of them made it over here?

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#13 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:59 pm

Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:26 pm
indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:47 pm
Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm

It would have been great for it to be a Naval version for sure. I have never seen one of those either.
You know another one I have never seen are some of those that were converted again to 7.62x51.. that would be neat also...
Definitely. I wonder how many of them made it over here?
Or how many were even made period

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#14 Post by Ken W » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:48 am

indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:59 pm
Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:26 pm
indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:47 pm
Ken W wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm

It would have been great for it to be a Naval version for sure. I have never seen one of those either.
You know another one I have never seen are some of those that were converted again to 7.62x51.. that would be neat also...
Definitely. I wonder how many of them made it over here?
Or how many were even made period

From what I've found online perhaps 1,000 to 2,000 at most might have been converted to 7.62 Nato. Apparently unattached barrels have been found here in the states. It would be a super rare find either way.

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Re: Questionable attributes on a Norwegian K98

#15 Post by roverboy » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:14 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:36 pm
you know a stupid thought, could someone have replaced the barrel ?????
I had wondered about that too. If the barrel is original, it may be rechambered to 8mm-06 cartridge.

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