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GEW 98 long rifle at 500 and 800 yards*

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GEW 98 long rifle at 500 and 800 yards*

#1 Post by Rapidrob » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:51 pm

Over twn years ago I bought a bunch of rifle from a good friend. In the batch were two GEW 98 rifles. One "Turked" and one in original condition. I put them in the collection and forgot about them.
This months NM MILSURP match is the Guns-of-August. 500,385,300 and two hundred yards. Farthest to the closest as the enemy troops ( AR500 Man Torso targets) close the distance.
I spent the day yesterday cleaning the bore of the GEW 98 made in 1915 not expecting much when done. After 24 hours soaking in Hoppies Copper Out I got a glob of Green-Goo out of the barrel. After cleaning the rest out of the bore I was surprised to find a bright shiny bore. Muzzle crown is perfect,no cleaning rod damage.
I then realized I had not shot the rifle since I got it at long range. No club member could remember me ever shooting it past 200 meters and what the results may have been.
I loaded up 50 round of virgin Remington brass,Privi 198 grain SPBT FMJ bullets over 48 grains of Reloader 15. CCI Primer. Lee FC die.
The weather was nice today and hazy due to all the forest fires in NM and CO.
I set my sight to the man silhouette target at 500 yards and let one fly. The first shot was dead center in the face. I held at the 6 o'clock under the target and hit it 8 more times,pulling one shot off target.
The mirage was 5 mph left to right so I'm pleased with how well the rifle shot. The group was under 6" at 500 yards. Not too bad for a 103 year old rifle of unknown history.
Tomorrow a friend of one of the members is passing through Albuquerque to meet up with the Forgotten Weapons crew in AZ for a shooting vid. He has never shot long distance so I will be setting up our 800 yard range for him to try. He sounds really excited to try his hand. I'm sure with a little coaching he will do well.
I hoping the GEW 98 will do well also. At this point I cannot see why it won't shoot and hit the target if I do my part.
The rifle has no import markings. The "story" on the rifle was it was sold out of a closing VFW branch. I can see that the patina is about right for a rifle sitting and not being handle and shot by an owner. The wood had been very dry when I got it. I cleaned the wood with GOOP Hand Cleaner an 000-steel wool followed by BLO and Pine Tar, hand rubbed in for a couple hours. The wood has come back to life and the recoil lug looks to be nice and strong.
I am not a Mauser rifle expert by any means. The rifle was made by Spandau. It is all matching.
The rifle is roll marked on the receiver and the barrel in several places with 98 39. I don't know if that is a rework marking or not?

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Re: GEW 98 long rifle at 500 and 800 yards*

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:56 pm

Any evidence of steel rods that may have left marks at the top or bottom of the barrel where they were removed or hammered out? No dings in the rifling, then I think a bring back rather than a VFW trophy rifle. Bolt matches, that is odd on a VFW Gew 98. Is it duffle cut?
see this old post:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... =13&t=1669

Your rifle sounds like it is a nice bring back, They are hard to find all matching. You indicate the parts match- does the screws and rod number all actually match? Is it duffle cut under the band or an intact stock? Looks like your serial number is 9839 and the screws should be marked 39 and the rod 39. If it is a bring back the rifling may be almost brand new. Mine looks like a mirror bright bore.

This is a matching dog.see http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 946#p14946
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#3 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:18 pm

How about some close up views of your rifle ???
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#4 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:52 pm

We had a fun shoot yesterday at 500 and 800 yards. The two guest were on their way to a 500 yard shoot in AZ for the 4TH of July. Neither had ever shot farther than 200 yards.
They brought AK's ,a FAL and Portuguese Mausers to shoot. Both he and his future wife did very well with just a few minutes coaching. Many rounds were launched down range.
The GEW 98 proved to be a challenge to shoot at 800 yards due to the graduation of the rear sight. The bullet went over at the 800 meter setting,and very short at 700 meters. I had to pick a spot in air to hit the target,but it did work.
I let two members shoot the GEW 98 rifle and they did very well at 500meters. Four of us shot our AK's at 500 yards and were able to hit the 500 meter target most of the time both in 7.62 and 5.45.
We stayed at the range for six hours shooting all makes and model rifles and a good time was had by all.
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#5 Post by slowbob2 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:10 pm

What ammo / bullet were you shooting in the 98 ?

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#6 Post by shoot4fun » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:11 pm

Rapidrob wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:51 pm
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I loaded up 50 round of virgin Remington brass,Privi 198 grain SPBT FMJ bullets over 48 grains of Reloader 15. CCI Primer. Lee FC die.
The weather was nice today and hazy due to all the forest fires in NM and CO.
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#7 Post by slowbob2 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:54 pm

That would explain why the sight was off .

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#8 Post by Rapidrob » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:10 pm

Remington virgin brass
Privi 198 Spitzer BT FMJ
48.0 grains Reloader-15 ( 50 max but is not as accurate)
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#9 Post by slowbob2 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:50 am

Have you run that load over the chrono ? That is a really hot load . R-15 is close to I-4064 . With 4064 48 grains is hot and 50 is max with a 150 bullet . R-15 's own data lists 48.0 - 50.0 for the 150 and only 44.0 as max for a 200 .

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#10 Post by Smokey » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:42 am

I believe the WWI 8x57mm S load ran a 150 grain flat base spitzer at around 2900 fps from the Gew 98 with the long barrel. I've probably done that with pretty moderate pressures using WW760 and 150gr softpoints.
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#11 Post by bobvz » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:04 pm

Smokey wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:42 am
I believe the WWI 8x57mm S load ran a 150 grain flat base spitzer at around 2900 fps from the Gew 98 with the long barrel. I've probably done that with pretty moderate pressures using WW760 and 150gr softpoints.
Mauser Bolt Rifles indicates the WW1 load was a 154 grain cup-based cupro-nickel clad steel jacket spitzer at 2,934 fps. That would explain why the sights wouldn't regulate. The nickle tipped Turk ammo available for some time duplicated this load.

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#12 Post by ammolab » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:05 pm

slowbob2 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:50 am
Have you run that load over the chrono ? That is a really hot load . R-15 is close to I-4064 . With 4064 48 grains is hot and 50 is max with a 150 bullet . R-15 's own data lists 48.0 - 50.0 for the 150 and only 44.0 as max for a 200 .
It is hard or impossible to duplicate 8mm military velocity with SAAMI spec reloading data. Rob is passing the + or - 40,000psi SAAMI limit for sure, but may not be at a "really hot" level.

Hitting the mil spec velocity of any of the Mauser military cartridges is difficult with published reloading data, but you like that
Speed shooting out to 800 yards. My 140gr 1970 FN 7x57 surplus goes beyond 2700fps from my 1908 Mauser and won the last 800 yard match. Will SAAMI data make me a reload to win when that ammo runs out?

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#13 Post by Rapidrob » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:22 pm

I have been reloading the 8x57 mm Mauser with 150 and 198 grain bullets since 1964. I load to German specs,not Lawyer loads for the infamous .318 bore rifles.
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#14 Post by slowbob2 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:27 pm

How long you have done some thing makes no difference on how well you do it. If it did , most 90 year olds would be race car drivers. I have fired around 40,000 rounds of handloads [ 100's of different combinations ] through over 500 8x57mm rifles . I am not talking about any Saami data , I am talking about over pressure in real life . Since 1964 , and you still think there are .318 bore German military rifles ?

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#15 Post by Rapidrob » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:34 pm

No, I don't but the lawyers do. That is why posted loads are so anemic. They are not by designer specs.
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