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Re: Norwegian K98s

#16 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:46 pm

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Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:56 pm
This website has information on Krags that the Germans forced the Norwegians to manufacture for them at Kongsberg during WW2:

http://candrsenal.com/a-quick-and-dirty ... en-rifles/

Scroll down to the Norwegian section. Some of these forced manufacture Krags were chambered for 8x57.
Did not notice that before, and idea how many were manufactured??? Were they just made of spare parts laying around, or were they
actually made from scratch????

Everyday I find out how much larger the Krag world is!!!

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#17 Post by Sarge » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:22 am

The Krags made during the occupation were new made rifles, not reworked or spare parts guns.
If I remember right these were made and are dated for 3 different years.
I used to have a couple of them, not sure if they are still in the safe or not? I also have some of the Norwegian ammo for them in my ammo collection.
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#18 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:39 am

Came across this RI auction forgotten weapons link has me details on the German forced Krags.. I was impressed with the low numbers..
Heck these guns must have cost a fortune per unit when you think of all the work to design, revampt the tooling, etc etc...

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/nazi-o ... le-at-ria/

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#19 Post by Lumberjack » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:44 am

In may 1945 it was approximately 300 000 german troops in Norway. So after WW2 Norway had plenty K98k rifles. The army started using them, but after a while shipments of US M1 garand rifles and plenty ammunition was supplied, and the army started using them.
The Norwegian military kept the K98k rifles, but for logitic reasons they were rebarreled to .3006 in the early 1950's. Rifles was rebarreled With superb Kongsberg made barrels, it was cut a notch in the receiver and the Magazine was lengthened for use With 3006 M2 ammunition. The sights was changed to a U notch and a square front sight blade. The receiver also got a new number with the letters HÆR (army), FLY (air force), K.Art (costal artillery) before a 4 or 5 digit number. The barrel was marked 7.62 m m.
(HÆR-12345, FLY-1234, K.Art-1234), i have only seen HÆR-marked rifles With more than 4 digit numbers.
The Norwegian model name for K98k in 3006 was M98K-F1.

The military also kept some K98k rifles in original 7,92 chambering for navy use, but they also got new Serial number that started With KNM(Royal Norwegain navy) and a 4 digit number (KNM-1234).

M98K-F1 was in use by the national guard until the early 1970's, but units used them for cadet use until 1996. The military still had some in reserve until after year 2000...
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#20 Post by Lumberjack » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:01 am

Norway also used MG34 until the 1990's.
First in originally 7,92 chambering, later in 3006 chambering (MG34-F1), and last in 7.62 NATO chambering (MG34-F2)

In Norway 3006 first was called 7.62 m.m by the military, but after 7.62 Nato arrived in the 60's the military started calling it 7.62X63.

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#21 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:08 am

Lumberjack wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:44 am
In may 1945 it was approximately 300 000 german troops in Norway. So after WW2 Norway had plenty K98k rifles. The army started using them, but after a while shipments of US M1 garand rifles and plenty ammunition was supplied, and the army started using them.
The Norwegian military kept the K98k rifles, but for logitic reasons they were rebarreled to .3006 in the early 1950's. Rifles was rebarreled With superb Kongsberg made barrels, it was cut a notch in the receiver and the Magazine was lengthened for use Eith 3006 M2 ammunition. The sights was changed to a U notch and a square front sight blade. The receiver also got a new number with the letters HÆR (army), FLY (air force), K.Art (costal artillery) before a 4 or 5 digit number. The barrel was marked 7.62 m m.
(HÆR-12345, FLY-1234, K.Art-1234), i have only seen HÆR-marked rifles With more than 4 digit numbers.
The Norwegian model name for K98k in 3006 was M98K-F1.

The military also kept some K98k rifles in original 7,92 chambering for navy use, but they also got new Serial number that started With KNM(Royal Norwegain navy) and a 4 digit number (KNM-1234).

M98K-F1 was in use by the national guard until the early 1970's, but units used them for cadet use until 1996. The military still had some in reserve until after year 2000...

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#22 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:11 am

Thanks for that info, nicely layed out.. I will say for me a big improvement to the mauser designis the U notched rear sight.. I can sight the target much better..

Any idea how many K-98s were made for each branch??

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#23 Post by Lumberjack » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:36 am

Im not sure, but i have seen 4 digit numbers at K.Art and FLY marked M98K-F1 (with highest numbers approx 9000) and 5 digit numbers at HÆR marked M98K-F1 (with highest numbers approx 94000). So i guess up to 10 000 for FLY and K.Art and up to 100 000 for HÆR, so at least 100-120 000? (its a guess)

The army used US M1 rifle and M1/M2 carabine and the national guard (and maybe coastal artillery and air force) used the M98K-F1 from the early 50's to 1967-1974, when the military got over 250 000 AG3 (Kongsberg build G3A3) rifles.

Some of the rifles was never used, but kept in reserve. I have one of those. :)

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#24 Post by Lumberjack » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:17 am

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Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:22 am

I've heard that There are Norwegian K98's in 7.62 x 51 also, although I've never seen one.

I've got several Kongsberg made Norwegian 7.62 x 51 K98 barrels that are in the white and have never been mounted, which offers some confirmation that at one time there were some 7.62 x 51 K98's.
Or someone planned to make them but never did?

I have heard rumors of those 7,62 nato M98K's in the military in norway, and i think it had model name M98K-F2. But i have never seeen one of them.

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#25 Post by Hippycrowe » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:57 pm

I just bought one of these boy it shoots nice groups

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#26 Post by Lumberjack » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:46 am

Sarge wrote:
Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:22 am
The Krags made during the occupation were new made rifles, not reworked or spare parts guns.
If I remember right these were made and are dated for 3 different years.
I used to have a couple of them, not sure if they are still in the safe or not? I also have some of the Norwegian ammo for them in my ammo collection.
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The Krags made in norway during occupation was both new rifles and reworked rifles. (they were made by a mix of new receivers and parts that was in store at the factory,new parts from military arsenals , and used parts/rifles from army arsenals and probably civilian rifles too)
The receivers of these rifles was stamped NA, NB or NC and the years 1943-1945 (NA1943, NB 1944 and NC 1944, and a few spesimen NC 1945).
3000-4000 rifles was probably made in 1943-44.

A few rifles was also chambered for 7.92X57IS.

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#27 Post by indy1919a4 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:29 am

Lumberjack wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:46 am
Sarge wrote:
Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:22 am
The Krags made during the occupation were new made rifles, not reworked or spare parts guns.
If I remember right these were made and are dated for 3 different years.
I used to have a couple of them, not sure if they are still in the safe or not? I also have some of the Norwegian ammo for them in my ammo collection.
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The Krags made in norway during occupation was both new rifles and reworked rifles. (they were made by a mix of new receivers and parts that was in store at the factory,new parts from military arsenals , and used parts/rifles from army arsenals and probably civilian rifles too)
The receivers of these rifles was stamped NA, NB or NC and the years 1943-1945 (NA1943, NB 1944 and NC 1944, and a few spesimen NC 1945).
3000-4000 rifles was probably made in 1943-44.

A few rifles was also chambered for 7.92X57IS.
Nice details, Thanks. It does show how starved the German army was for arms to go to all that work for such a low number of rifles.

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#28 Post by Hippycrowe » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:15 pm

I paid $850 for my S-27 made in 1936 it has some really neat arsenal repairs if you have a chance to get one they are worth it really interesting history l.
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Re: Norwegian K98s

#29 Post by Calfed » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:30 am

Lumberjack wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:17 am
Calfed wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:22 am

I've heard that There are Norwegian K98's in 7.62 x 51 also, although I've never seen one.

I've got several Kongsberg made Norwegian 7.62 x 51 K98 barrels that are in the white and have never been mounted, which offers some confirmation that at one time there were some 7.62 x 51 K98's.
Or someone planned to make them but never did?

I have heard rumors of those 7,62 nato M98K's in the military in norway, and i think it had model name M98K-F2. But i have never seeen one of them.
I guess that is a possibility also.

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Re: Norwegian K98s

#30 Post by Lumberjack » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:27 am

Last summer, i had my M98K-F1 at the range for testing.
I used Norwegian 7.62X63 military ball from the 80's.
10' on the target is 60mm and distance was 100m.
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