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Something fishy in K98s

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Something fishy in K98s

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:50 pm

watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... xM3T-JF1KQ
Offered 20 Feb and sold out the same day-- for crazy prices :roll: :roll:
The blue is odd. Like a real deep RC excellent blue, and the blue on the bolts too dark, stocks refinished no dings, dents or patina. Stamps on the stock look fake--too new/fresh for a refinished rifle. Someone has some of those Polish repro stamps and number sets. Barrels do not reflect outside wear. These sold at crazy prices and I'd say a sucker is born every second. Notice you do not see any close ups of the left side of the stock or receivers where a serial number or X may have been skillfully removed. I do not see milling marks on barrel to indicate an import mark removal. But no steady views to actually study the barrel. But they sold $900-1200 for garbage. :snooty: Or am I just a cautious nut. Really fishy stuff as far as K98s go; i'd run away. Classic notes:
Original German K98 rifles that appear to have been refurbished to as close to original issue conditions as possible.
:puke-huge: :puke-huge:

Someone is a better faker than Mitchells :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :think: :snooty:

So is there any high roller that purchased one of these that is bold and brave brave enough to post close up photos of the markings, the barrel where an import mark may have been, and the font of the matching numbers. Also the right side of the stock. The receiver's left side and top so it can be determined if these are altered Mitchells or RC mausers. Am I nuts ? Why would anyone alter an original condition K98 into a pimped up, humped K98 worse than a Mitchell???? 11 were sold.
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:30 pm

I just checked the K98 forum and they are a little harsh on the subject but caught the K98s ASAP. BUT STILL NO PICS OF ANY OF THESE.

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php ... t-it-again!
Man, 9 pages of comments in one day, I am way behind on this story. Sorry, but consider it as a warning if you should see these at a show or more magically reappear. Maybe Classic is getting into the Mitchell rebuild act?????

added this edit 21:00 Gunboards is also ablaze about this forgery
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... ght-up-LOL

from above source:
"Quote Originally Posted by Clint Meier View Post
Howdy gents! I don't chime in here much at all because of an acute lack of expert knowledge on my part on most of the topics discussed, but do read here a lot and have learned much. For that, I thank you all! With my curiosity aroused, I clicked on the link to view the video. After viewing the video and forming my own opinion(s) regarding the many many stampings present, I clicked on the link to their web site just below the video window. Upon scrolling down that page a bit and coming to
Brutus' Description, he clearly states :
To my trained eye, they appear to be professionally refurbished and I would say that is the case because you simply never see these rifles in this kind of condition otherwise.
Also, although all of the bores appear serviceable the inside of the rifles reflects a degree of wear that is not evident on the outside.

That is not a criticism of the bore condition (although bores are what they are and we do not warranty for bore condition) but it is simply saying that some of the bores show evidence of use such as a truly used battle rifle would, while the external condition of the rifles do not.
Also the stocks appear to be refurbished due to the lack of dents and dings, and certainly the white in the markings are not 100% original because on non-refurbs that is typically worn off long ago.

Now, I will be the first to admit that I am not familiar with this company's selling practices, their ethics, or their reputation for honesty/dishonesty, but it seems to me that he is laying it all out there if you are willing to read what he has to say.
I agree with what BenedictGomez had to say though - 'caveat emptor and all that'. Where is the fault here? It seems to me that he is being tarred and feathered in this forum a bit unjustly, or am I the one who is looking at this all wrong? I am not condoning dishonesty or misrepresentation by any means, but am curious as to what you think now of my point of view on this and why. Thank you!"


:arrow:
First, the guy is in the business of selling firearms. Second, it's neither his first rodeo nor his first day on the job. He has seen enough rifles going through his store to pick up some clues here and there. Just like a veteran used car salesman can tell genuine factory paint from an Earl Scheib job, Fat Ben can tell a real Mauser from a hump job. Not only that, he knows the source of the hump jobs. Standing there with a straight face and talking bullsheet about the junk he's peddling north of 1 grand is what we are faulting him for. He knows they are fake, he knows the bores a sewer pipes (WTH does "serviceable" mean anyways?) and he still carries on with the dog and pony show. How can he be so clueless and think nothing about the identical WaA655 stamps on almost all stocks but then he shows off his "ex-spurt knowledge", prattling about a humped up Banner Mauser being an ekzperi-mental prototype and the RC number on the butt stock being a "rack number"?

"Professionally refurbished" means, you take 68 Camaro and turn all parts back into original, like new condition. Then you tape the build sheet to the rear passenger window and show it off on Cruise Night, waiting for someone to make you an offer. You wouldn't buy a 68 without an engine or swapped engine, put in another engine from 69 Camaro, grind the numbers out of the 69 engine and re-stamp it with the numbers from the 68 engine you found on the build sheet, then come up with a story why your 68 is ekzperi-mental because it has a numbers matching 69 engine. But the humpsters from which Fat Ben buys, they would.
Classic has certainly stirred the pot. They should just say they are rebuilt by ??? Who? Them, or another party? And cut out the competition with Mitchell for who's tossing the manure the highest :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#3 Post by Rapidrob » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:43 pm

When he rolls the rifle so you can see the right side of the receiver you can see the buffer wheel marks. The markings look like they were punched last week.
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#4 Post by Hammerdown » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:00 pm

1934 k98 with a front sight hood.....
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:29 pm

some screen shots of the rifles.
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:31 pm

more pics screen shots:
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:32 pm

Rack number :doh: :naughty: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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from viewing from left to right, note 1st and 3rd & 6th rifle stock left side looks like flat spots from sanding
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#8 Post by indy1919a4 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:27 pm

I do not know how Classic does it.. You can go to Gunbroker and find lots of his items for less... But each and every time they seem to sell out :)

Those cartouches look so fresh... also with no other dings in the stocks.. those rifles must have been owned by some real REMF..

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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#9 Post by Hammy » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:56 pm

Yeah, that blue just looks a little too "silky", doesn't it?
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#10 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:05 am

Two barrels with a close up screen shot and there is not a scratch or dent on them. My thoughts, these were milled off and polished, then reblued to get rid of the import marks. The cleaning rods appear to be the better reproductions. I posted all of these photos because the video has generated Classic so much negative advertising, It would be wise if they will pull it down soon and I wanted some pictures fixed in the forum so readers can see what is being talked about. All photos are screen shots from the video.
Also note all stocks have the same finish and overall redish color, like an RC, Russian Capture, stock rubbed down with alcohol; but not heavily sanded like a Mitchell blond. These have to be RC stocks altered. I just wonder how they got rid of the X mark unless these were all RC specimens that never got stamped with an X. I have seen a few Russian Captures missing the X stamp, but how did someone get so many? I can not get any clear views of the receivers to see if these Xs were ground or not. From the quick views in the video, most receivers appear to never had an X stamped onto them. I can see no evidence of any depression where polishing removed a deep stamped X in the two posted pictures

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look at the rust pits under the blue on the sight band but not as much as a blemish on the barrel--I smell import mark removal
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The receiver views???
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#11 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:41 am

Here are some more receiver shots:
The first two many have evidence of X removal.


Look below the S/ is that a line of a buffed X
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look between the 42 and 1939 just above the 9 and below the 4 is that a X buffed down?
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No evidence
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maybe that faint slanted line in-between the s/237 and the 1938 is a real faint part of a RC X ???
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Again the barrel sight band is beat, but the barrel is smooth as silk. More evidence of import mark removal. Me thinkest--very strange metal and patina mismatched conditions. It does not add up.
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#12 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 am

For $300 i'd buy one just to have an example to study close up and photo document, but $1300 :angry-tappingfoot: :handgestures-thumbdown:
To review RC Mauser attributes see this post ( lots of pics of X locations and there style):
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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#13 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:19 am

OK now not wishing to cause a rumble here.. But this is a serious question...

If these guns are refurbished and If you wanted a perfect gun for a gift
or whatever I can almost understand the price better.. there was a lot of work put in them
to "fix" them up.. And not work that the average person could or would do.

Now I think the thing that rubs is these are sold as fully original. Also for the
purest out there it stinks that these were altered..

So if they were sold as refurbished (fantasy) would there be any complaint ???

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#14 Post by slowbob2 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:26 pm

The rifles are clearly scubbed , sanded , refinished and restamped .

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Re: Something fishy in K98s

#15 Post by VMASCIOP2000 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:22 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:19 am
OK now not wishing to cause a rumble here.. But this is a serious question...

If these guns are refurbished and If you wanted a perfect gun for a gift
or whatever I can almost understand the price better.. there was a lot of work put in them
to "fix" them up.. And not work that the average person could or would do.

Now I think the thing that rubs is these are sold as fully original. Also for the
purest out there it stinks that these were altered..

So if they were sold as refurbished (fantasy) would there be any complaint ???
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