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COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

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COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#1 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:37 am

From orcmastiffs - Oct 25, 2006


CONTENTS:
****I: Serial Number and Timeframe Parameters for the pre-Armistice Rifles
A] Photograghs of the script/cursive letter prefix letters, until June, 1940
B] Paragraph addressing the "Barrel Date Fallacy"
***II: Mystery Rifles / Non-Serial Production Sterile and Un-Prefixed Rifles
A] Photographs of an example and close-ups of both Types of their receivers
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871002
**III: The Upper-Bands - (Illustrations of Component Types & "List-Codes")
A] Fig.1 (Photographs of Types used upon standard rifles) (Fig. 1)
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871003
**IV: The Receivers - (Types & "List-Codes")
A] Fig.2 (Photograph of the three basic Types)
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871004
***V: Rear Sight Assemblies - (Types and "List-Codes")
A] Ilustrated by Fig.2 & 3
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871005
**VI: The Lower-Bands - (Types and "List-Codes")
A] Illustrated by Fig.4 & 5
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871006
*VII: Comprehensive Collective Survey - "The List" - (To the Armistice of June, 1940)
A] Fig. #6 Photogragh of the receiver stamps and final "E" proof.
B] Fig. #7 Photograph of the barrel-top; initial "E" proof and MAS shop stamp.
C] Fig. #8 Photograph of Barrel-flat markings.
D & E] March, 1938 through March, 1940 - Illustrates the rifles as unchanged
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603#p871007
VIII: The MAS Mle 1936 Tir reduit 5.5L - (Vichy Trainer)
A] Photographs of the Tir reduit features and General configuration
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603&p=870156#p871868
*IX: Collective Survey Continued - "The List" - (From post-Liberation through post-War)
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603&p=870156#p875247
**X: MAS Mle 1936-51 Grenade Rifle
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=117603&p=870156#p875256

INPROCESS - (Slow but getting there)

****I: MAS Mle 1936 - Quick Reference for Serial Production Dates up to the Armistice of June 22, 1940. (Chronology is annotated as to series-breaks, significant dates and the New Years)

This chronology is derived from those examples reported in the collective survey for the MAS Mle 1936. Recording is by serial number and acceptance cartouche. The criteria over the last three years has been that all features and dates must be verified by hands-on/eyes-on confirmation.

"F" Series - Here we encounter unknown start-up and termination dates. The total acceptance number is also unknown, though it seems likely that only a fraction of the full 100,000 unit run would have been completed. It is not that France was incapable of such a feat, but rather that the financial constraints of depressed times would have dampened the will to do so. One can surmise that a fatal flaw required the "F" series to be scrapped. Certainly, such a setback would have been noted as scandal, even if it did not bring down the government. Yet history is silent and barely a trace remains:

F 4XX Unknown /(Complete but Reworked rifle from France) /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1937
F 932 Forearm only
F 10524 Cutaway bayonet only
F 10930 Triggerguard only [Reported]
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"G" Series - All reported examples were assembled by St Etienne. The leisurely production rate may have been due to many factors, but the result was the manufacture of the highest quality firearms, a fact that cannot be obscured by the outward signs of yeoman service:

G 106 October, 1937 (first dated "G" series rifle)
G 156 October, 1937 (last dated rifle from 1937)
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G 2494 February, 1938 (first dated rifle from 1938)
G 22577 October, 1938 (last recorded rifle from 1938)
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G 34522 January, 1939 (first dated rifle from 1939)
G 78767 August, 1939 (last dated pre-War rifle)
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G 80708 September, 1939 (first dated Wartime rifle)
G 98738 October, 1939 (last dated "G" series rifle)
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"H" Series - Initially identical to the "G"s but this production block was completed in a quarter of the time; 6 months compared to 25 months. Again, this was a St Etienne effort, but with ManuFrance making a contribution among the late serial numbers. Only one example has yet been confirmed. However, given the limited size of the sampling, this might imply that several thousand were supplied:

H 864 November, 1939 (first dated "H" series rifle)
H 17066 December, 1939 (last dated rifle from 1939)
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H 18661 January, 1940 (first dated rifle from 1940)
H 96738 May, 1940 (last dated "H" rifle - accepted in the first week of May)
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"J" Series - As seen with the ManuFrance "H", the Type 2 notched Factory Receivers and the Type 2 lock-sear bolt-caps were incorporated changes throughout this truncated run of less than 25,000. The two digit serial numbered bayonet may have been first adopted by this series. "J" production appears to have taken place in May, with an additional few thousand accepted during the first week of June. ManuFrance seems to have accounted for about 25% of this assemblage:

J 3372 May, 1940 (first dated "J" series rifle)
(J 4,000 to 8,000) May 10, 1940 (the German offensive begins with a theoretical total of 205,000 Mle 1936s available. What the effective number was remains unknown)
J 24310 June, 1940 (last recorded "J" - from the first week of June)
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"K" Series - The configuration was identical to the "J" series. It can be assumed that the first 5,000 were accepted in the last week of May with the remainder of the 31,750 total assembled in June of 1940. This indicates a cycle rate of 8,000 units per-week. Perhaps 60% were marked ManuFrance, with the others being St Etienne. (Pristine examples are encountered even among low numbered rifles from this series, suggesting that many were neither issued nor subsequently used):

K 2502 May, 1940 (first dated "K" series rifle)
K 28278 June, 1940 (last dated rifle prior to the Armistice)
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"L" Series - These were as defined by the "J" and "K" series, with the possible addition of the improved Type 1c upper-band found among some of the latest "K"s, (a millstep increased the thickness of the band's sidewall common to the thread location for the cross-pin). Only three pre-Armistice "L"s have been reported, with only one being dated:

L 2421 Unknown (first reported "L" series rifle)
L 35XX June, 1940 (last dated rifle prior to the Armistice, but lacking visual verification)
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The Armistice was signed on June 22, 1940
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NOTES ON BARREL DATES:
The dates which appear upon the barrel-flats are NOT an indication of when the rifle was fabricated. French inventory control did not practice "first-in/first-out" for their component parts. The barrel is dated to its first proofing; i.e., its acceptance as a tested, compliant part. Among pre-Armistice rifles, barrels pre-date the acceptance cartouche by as many as three years. This condition is more exaggerated within the post-Liberation sampling, where discrepancies of five years are not uncommon. It is no more valid to date a rifle based upon the barrel than it would be to ascribe the model designation as the year of manufacture. It is not advisable to remove the forewood of the Mle 1936 unless repair is required or corrosion is suspected. Such a practice might un-bed the aging wood and impair post reassembly accuracy.

BELOW: Best available, (to me), illustrations of the pre-Armistice script prefix letters


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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#2 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:39 am

***II: THE MYSTERY RIFLES: They look like the MAS Mle 1936. Every indication speaks to their assemblage having occurred during the Second World War, in 1940 or later. They are not import marked, and are in unissued condition. What could be wrong with that?

The "Mystery" rifles are eccentric to serial-production. Their assemblers, dates and purpose remain unknown. They may be divided only upon the basis of whether they have been stamped with an un-prefixed number, or are sterile/devoid of any serialization. Both "Numbered" and "Sterile" units are possessed of the following anomalies:

1] they are unissued; perhaps unfired.
2] They are a collection of rear-Armistice parts, many being 'pickled'/acid-etched and not 'stoved'/blackened.
3] Often defective/rejected or repair small-parts appear to have been used in their final assembly.
4] the top-flat of the rear sight has not had the 'stoving' removed.
5] Many of the spanner-type screws have been slotted, appearantly before installation.
6] The quality of assemblage is not as consistent, or to the standard of serial-production examples.
7] The bayonets are from earlier rifles, or replacements from a latter day.
8] None are import marked
9] Some have incorrect sight-leafs, and will not shoot to point of aim.
10] They all have the Type 2 factory machine notched receivers.
11] Some have a 'sticky'/tight bolt-cap which requires the use of gripping tools for removal, after it is detented.

MYSTERY STERILE:

Exclusive to the "Sterile" examples:

1s] Over 20% are reported to not close on a cartridge or "Go Guage"
2s] Two observed examples have the index/datum lines of the barrel and receiver mis-aligned, both due to incorrect torque.

A] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" stamps /Barrel bottom-flat-"RG" MAS 1939 / Used lower-band /Deep roller-stamped "MAS Mle 1936" legend, (causing a banner-milled effect).
B] Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Un-PREFIXED #4039 upon the bolt-stem.
C] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Unstoved bolt-body, ferrules & lower-band.
D] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel bottom-flat-"A" MAT 1940 /Unstoved bolt-body, ferrules & upper-band.
E] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel bottom-flat-"C" MAT 1940 /Unstoved bolt-body & ferrules /Used lower-band.
F] Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Unstoved bolt body, butt-plate, ferrules, lower-band & forearm fulcrum-tang.
G] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Unstoved upper-band, ferrels & lower band.
H] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /All parts stoved except bolt-cap & sight slider.
I] Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Unstoved bolt-body, upper-band & ferrules /Used lower-band.
J] Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Unstoved bolt-body /used lower-band.
K] Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Bolt is marked # 54 (see below) /Unstoved bolt-body, upper-band, sight slider & ferrules /Rejectable damage to the breech-face which may pre-date the rifle.

These STERILE rifles appear to be as numerous, if not more so, than the NUMBERED examples. However, due to their nature it is difficult to avoid duplicate entries. I have settled upon the above as a representive sampling. Further entries will be made contingent upon any unique features which are observed.

MYSTERY NUMBERED:

Exclusive to the "Numbered" examples:

1n] The case and font of the numbering is very different from that which was used upon serialized rifles. In some instances it even differs from itself.
2n] The bolt-stem, when numbered, are marked upon the outboard side.
3n] Receiver is numbered upon the upper left of the receiver ring; sometimes close to the centerline.
4n] Entirely unstoved barreled-receivers appear with several examples.

#3 Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Barrel bottom flat-"MF" 1940 /Bolt-body, upper & lower bands, bayonet: All pickled & unstoved [Reported]
# 34 Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receicer /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel bottom-flat-"RG" MAS 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver /Unstoved bolt-body, upper-band, ferrules & forearm fulcrum-tang.
# 54 Unknown /Bolt only /Unstoved body /Found with "Mystery Sterile" list at line "K]", above.
# 98 Unknown /Bolt only /Unstoved body /Found with # 470, below.
# 11X Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel bottom-flat-"NE" MAS 1940 /Unstoved bolt-body, upper-band, ferrules & sight-slider.
# 151 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel bottom-flat-"A" MAT 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver /Unstoved bolt-body, lower-band, ferrules, forearm fulcrum-tang & sight-slider.
# 171 Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Bolt numbered to receiver.
# 2XX Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Bolt numbered to receiver /Unstoved bolt-body, lower-band, ferrules and sight-slider.
# 282 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel bottom-flat-"A" MAT 1940.
# 319 Unknown /Type 1a upper-band & Type 2 receiver
# 320 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver.
# 342 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel bottom-flat-"C" MAT 1940 /Unstoved bolt-body, lower-band, ferrules, forearm fulcrum-tang & sight-slider /Deep roller-stamped "MAS Mle 1936" legend, (causing banner-mill effect).
# 344 Unknown /Unstoved bolt-body which is not serialized.
# 356 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver
# 360 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel bottom-flat-"A" MAS 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver /Barreled-receiver was never stoved.
# 373 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver.
# 414 Unknown /Bolt only, found with G 92078.
# 420 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel bottom-flat-"C" MAT 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver /Barreled receiver was never stoved.
# 432 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel bottom-flat-"A" MAT 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver /Serial numbers stamped with non-matching die set, (case and font).
# 470 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Bolt # 98 does not match /Unstoved bolt-body, lower-band, ferrules & sight-slider.
# 486 Unknown /Type 1b upper-band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel bottom-flat-"RG" MAS 1940 /Bolt numbered to receiver.
# 4039 Unknown /Bolt only, found with "Mystery Sterile" listed at line "B]", above.

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#3 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:40 am

**III: EXPLANATION OF TYPES: Used here as a expedient/shorthand for distinct features/constructions of a part whose function is consistant, but whose form evolved. The codes are progressive alpha-numeric, to match the chronology of their usage/introduction, (i.e., a Type 1 or 1a would occur earlier than would a Type 2 or 1b).

Common terms and abbreviations used to annotate the 'lists': Such notations will appear in boldface and in order of appearance, rather than alphabetically.

Upper-band: Stock end-cap, embouchoirs / The assembly that is composed of the protective front sight ears or hood, piling-hook and cross-pin.

Type 1a: Milled, slab-sided unit with consistent thickness of the sidewall, ear type sight protector and joggled piling-hook.
Type 1b: As Type 1a, but with a threaded grommet soldered to the sidewall and replacing/extending the thread bearing surface for the cross-pin.
Type 1c: As Type 1a & 1b, but with a millstep at the location of the cross-pin threads.
Type 1d: As Type 1a, 1b & 1c, but with the millstep running from the cross-pin threads to the piling-hook trunnion.
Type 2: Stamped assembly with a welded longitudinal doubler integral to the straight piling-hook. The sight protector is now a semicircular hood. This was used beginning with the "M" series or later "L"s. It also is the standard for rebuilt, non-grenade launching rifles.

Fig. #1
******Type 1a*********Type 1b*******Type 1c************Type 2***

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#4 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:41 am

EXPLANATION OF TYPE:

**IV: Receiver: This is, of course, the central structure which contains or attaches to, all other assemblies. However, as this remained basically unchanged from the "G" series onward, the focus is upon the modification which was incorporated into the lower bolt channel just forward of the tang. This notch/millout would facilitate the improved bolt-cap which locked itself into position when the bolt was in battery.

Type 1: This was the smooth bolt channel which provided only for the round bolt-cap.

Type 2 Modified: This was a Type 1 receiver with the notch/millout cut into it post-assembly. The quality of this work was more influenced by the tools available and the skill of the armourer. While most are rather crude, others could not be distinguished from a factory fabrication, if it were not for the complete lack of stoving/finish within the notch/millout.

Type 2 Factory: Integrated as a process during the initial fabrication of the receiver, these were milled before the heat-treat and finishing.

Fig. #2
[Type 1 & Bolt-Cap][Type 2 Modified & Bolt-Caps][Type 2 Factory]

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#5 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:44 am

[****************Type 1 Rear Sight****************][Type 2 Rear Sight] REF: Fig #2 Above

***V: REAR SIGHT: The rear sight base/assembly evolved toward a more easily used and manufactured design.

Type 1: The three left-most rifles shown in figure #2 are from the first model which was standard until the Armistice. It has a smooth-sided base and a central millrun, closed at the forward/upper end. The slider/keeper may be adjusted when the sight leaf is depressed. When the leaf returns to position under its own spring tension, the crenulations/ridges on the sight leaf spring-arm positively lock the slider.

Type 2 Modified: This is shown in figure #3, and is a modification of the Type 1 base with notches milled along the left side, and often cutting into the existing range numbers. These notches engage the spring loaded sear of the Type 2 slider assembly. No ridges are required upon the aperture arm, making this replaceable/interchangeable part more durable and less prone to failure. This modification first appeared in 1941 with the 'Tir reduit', .22 caliber trainer, and was continued with the post-Liberation rifles, atleast into the later "K" series. When Type 1 rifles were reworked, the side notches were milled into the existing base, and the Type 2 slider and aperture arm were installed.

Type 2 Factory: The last, (right hand), rifle in figure #2 is the final incarnation of this assembly. It is unremarkable from the Modified version other than the central millrun extends the entire length of the base.

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Type 2 Modified Rear Sight Below

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#6 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:46 am

**VI: LOWER-BAND: Also called the milled, sling and tension-band for obvious reasons.

Type 1: The distinctive milled lower-band was common to all pre-Armistice rifles. Designed to fulfill multiple functions, it was a complicated and costly assembly. Reference Figure #4:
A] Left hand view shows the annular barrel of the tension screw housing which also served as a readily accessible sling attach point for the side, (cavalry), arrangement.
B] Central is the bottom/lower view with its infantry sling loop and the spanner screw which was used to fay/snug the self-bedding forewood to the barrel.
C] Right hand view shows the band's hinge which is almost invisible when installed. It also provides a cut view of the lower sling loop. This attach point had less clearance than the side loop, and required some effort to successfully install the sling.
Type 2: The right hand example shown in figure #5 was a short lived transition toward the Type 3. It has been observed among the near post-Liberation "K" and early "L" series. Note the thick clevis with its forged ring and long bearing surface for the hinge. The hinge-tang is offset to place the ring parallel to the forearm when the sling is installed.
Type 3: The left hand example shown in figure #5 is the spring-band with the stamped ring. This is the most familiar type upon post-Liberation, and all reworked rifles.

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#7 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:48 am

*VII: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936: "The List"

The pre-Liberation production records of St Etienne having been lost or destroyed, this list was initiated with the consensus that it might prove helpful in fixing the dates and features for the various serial number ranges. All listing, unless otherwise noted, have been confirmed by physical examination or by lucid photographs. As the list has expanded in volume and purview since 2005, those features preserved upon early souvenirs and imports have been noted in the hope that some pattern may suggest their meaning and usage.

The list is annotated with codes which sometimes have a basis in French designations, but often are a concession to convenience. [The definitions have begun to be posted within this thread, but await a Glossary/Index to facilitate visual and verbal clarification.]

A short introduction to each serial prefix-range will note consistencies and any mid-block changes.

"F" Series - Neither the dates for the start-up, the termination, nor the actual number of units completed is known. No historical narrative is evident and barely a physical trace remains:

F 4XX Unknown /(Complete but reworked rifle from France)/Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1937
F 932 Date Unknown /Forearm only
F 10524 Unknown /Cutaway-bayonet only
F 10930 Unknown /Triggerguard only [Reported]

"G" Series - All reported examples were assembled by St Etienne. The assembly serves as our basic type and continues unaltered until May/June of 1940. The bands, receiver, bolt-cap, finish and rear sight are all of Type 1/1a configuration. Any deviation from this is the result of replacement, repair or rework:

G 106 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-["S" at the 3 o'clock within the acceptance cartouche] i.e.,["S"@3 o'clock]
G 11X October 1937 [Reported]
G 156 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, receiver-ring stamps /Barrel top has FULL SERIAL NUMBER ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 158 October 1937 /Type 1a bans & Type 1 receiver ["S"@3o'clock]
G 2494 February 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-["S"@3 o'clock]
G 6241 March 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps /Barrel top-FULL SERIAL NUMBER,"E" & "G" in shield /Barrel bottom-flat-"RG" MAS 1937 ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 11803 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & shield "G" /Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 12387 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps
G 12806 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & shield "G" /Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 167XX September 1938 [Reported]
G 18342 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps
G 20268 Unknown 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 22577 October 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps ["LK5" marked stock] ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 34140 Unknown /Type 1b (repair) band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Bottom flat-"G" MAT 1937
G 34522 January 1939 /Type 1 receiver
G 347XX February 1939 [Reported]
G 35223 February 1939
G 36000 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, Stamps
G 36760 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 37891 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 38031 February 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [No "LK5" or number on grip-flat]
G 38551 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L'M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-MAT 1938 ["LK5" marked stock]
G 386XX February 1939 [Reported]
G 38867 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 39235 Unknown /Type 1b (repair) band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 39859 March 1939 /Type 1b (repair) band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock]
G 405XX Unknown 1939 /"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 40766 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 42570 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MAT 1937 [No "LK5" or grip number]
G 42619 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 432XX March 1939 /Type 1a band /Barrel flat-MAT 1938 [Reported]
G 43351 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MAT 1937
G 45078 April 1939
G 44920 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver [Stocked with 'H 17107', "LK5" marked "3" upon grip flat, see below]
G 453XX April 1939
G 46250 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 46761 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat-MAT 1838 (reported) ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 46901 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 47112 April 1939 /Type 1b (repair) band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock] [Grip flat marked "2"-Reported]
G 47381 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 47602 April 1939
G 512XX May 1939 /Type 1a band /Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 52733 May 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938 ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 56190 Unknown /Type 1a & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 56624 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 57353 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat "C" MAT 1938
G 60713 June 1939 /[Butt-stock only]
G 61474 June 1939
G 61796 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Reported]
G 63627 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 67719 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 69118 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 6913X July 1939 /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 69739 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 70042 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 72263 August 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 73351 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 73574 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 74981 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 75240 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 75895 August 1939
G 76275 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & shield "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1938 ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 76328 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E"',L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-MAS 1939 [Reported]
G 76494 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 77597 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"LY" SACM 1938
G 78767 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
*September 1st through 3rd - What passed for Peace became War
G 80708 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" Marked stock]
G 81238 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 84539 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 84965 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E" stamp [Matching, unmodified, but appears to be blued rather than "stoved"] [Reported receiver stamps]
G 85722 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 85949 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 91765 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 92078 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Bolt-stem unprefixed #414 on outboard side]
G 95914 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [Grip flat marked "18" - No "LK" mark on sanded stock] ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 97504 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
G 98738 October 1939 [Reported]
G 98904 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps

"H" Series - Consistent to "G" configuration until its last weeks of production. This series was completed within six month, as compared to the twenty five months required for the "G" block. Look for ManuFrance to begin its contribution among the last 10%. Given this limited sampling, the one confirmed example could imply that several thousand unit were supplied:

H 30 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Large "F" at bottom of the wrist, just aft of the triggerguard]
H 522 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Large "F" at bottom of the wrist]
H 864 November 1939
H 3201 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S"@3 o'clock]
H 4720 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 5124 November 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver ["LK5" mark on stock] ["20" on grip flat]
H 5746 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
H 6088 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 6163 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939 [Large "1" just aft of triggerguard]
H 8872 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 11096 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 11313 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
H 117XX December 1939 /"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 12757 December 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver ["LK5" mark on stock] ["41" on grip flat]
H 1397X December 1939
H 15208 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver ["LK5" mark on stock] ["S"@3 0'clock]
H 15280 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
H 15568 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 17066 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 17107 December 1939 ["LK5" marked, "3" upon grip flat] ["S" @3 o'clock]
H 18179 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, Stamps ["S"@3 o'clock]
H 18661 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 20840 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-MAT 1939
H 21000 January 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock] ["14" on grip flat]
H 21835 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 24017 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 24237 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [No "LK5" mark] ["10" on grip flat]
H 243XX January 1940 [Reported]
H 27300 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 28403 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamp
H 29251 January 1940
H 29451 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 33057 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1937 ["LK5" marked stock] ["11" on grip flat in 5mm case]
H 33521 January 1940
H 34020 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
H 34224 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 36706 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock] ["10" on grip flat in 5mm case]
H 38141 February 1940 ["LK5" marked stock] ["23" on grip flat]
H 38566 February 1940
H 40961 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [No 'LK5' or number on grip flat]
H 42587 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["LK5" marked stock] ["8" on grip flat]
H 44303 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 45671 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 47544 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAT 1940
H 49756 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 54589 Unknown 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver [Narvik rifle - left upon the beach in 1940]
H 54846 Unknown /Type 1a band-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Butt-stock is from J 20447]
H 62535 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,circle "C", stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1939
H 63518 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,circle "C", stamps
H 637XX March 1940 [Reported]
H 6399X March 1940 [Reported]
H 68486 March 1940 /Type 1a band-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 72488 March 1940 /receiver-"E",L,M,Circle C, stamps
H 72756 Unknown /Type 1 receiver
H 73333 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939 [Deep "MAS Mle1936" roller-stamp causing a banner-milled effect]
H 74410 April 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"A" MAT 1939 ["LK5" marked stock] ["2" on grip flat in 6mm case]
H 74979 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["LK5" marked stock]
H 74991 Unknown 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 753XX April 1940 [Reported]
H 75983 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,circle "C", stamps
H 76773 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940
H 77116 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 78586 April 1940
H 79037 April 1940
H 80324 Unknown 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED (?) receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps ["LK?" marked stock] ["31" on grip flat in 5mm case] [Receiver markings Reported]
H 80671 April 1940
H 82477 April 1940
H 8254X April 1940 [Reported]
H 82932 April 1940 /Type 1a bands & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 83120 April 1940 /Type 1a bands & Type 2 MODIFIED (?) receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps [Reported]
H 84344 Unknown 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 88989 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 FACTORY receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 [First confirmed ManuFrance assembly & Type 2 Factory receiver]
H 90566 1940 /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Reported]
H 91525 Unknown 1940 /Barrel flat-MAT 1940 [Reported]
H 963XX April 1940
H 96738 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Reported]
H 98043 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 99631 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 FACTORY receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [ManuFrance]

"J" Series - As exhibited with the ManuFrance "H", this series incorporated the Type 2 factory receivers and the corresponding bolt-cap throughout its truncated run of less than 25,000 units. The bayonet with a two digit serialization may well have been adopted at this time. "J" production was in May, with a few thousand accepted in the first week of June. ManuFrance accounted for 25% of this assemblage:

J 375 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [Beech forearm] [MANUFRANCE]
J 1850 Unknown [bolt only]
J 3372 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receicer-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
J 3381 Unknown /Type 1b (repair) band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 [MANUFRANCE]
J 3823 May 1940 [Reported]
J 3882 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 4268 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE] ["LK5" marked stock]
J 4868 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
J 5835 May 1940 /Barrel flat-MAT 1939 [Reported]
J 6006 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Reported]
J 6187 April 1940 /[Reported, with written confirmation of the dated cartouche /Forgive the speculation, but could this 'uncorrected error' have marked the first news of the May 10, 1940 offensive? The date is almost 10,000 unit out of sequence, and extrapolation would have May 10 fall between S/Ns 4,000 - 8,000.]
J 8222 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 8254 May 1940
J 8500 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 9620 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
J 12970 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
J 17981 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 18082 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
J 18711 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver
J 18920 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock]
J 20233 June 1940 [Reported]
J 20447 May 1940 [Stock only upon H 54846]
J 20479 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
J 21044 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940
J 21355 May 1940 (?) /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
J 24155 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [NO CARTOUCHE on UN-REWORKED and MATCHING NUMBERED STOCK] [Receiver serial prefix is a LATIN "I" when all other numbers are script "J" and matching, less bayonet] [Full "J" serial number upon mis-matched bayonet] ["LK5" marked on stock] ["10" on grip flat in 5mm case]
J 24310 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E" and one other stamp on receiver ring, which may be "MF" [NO CARTOUCHE on UN-REWORKED and MATCHING NUMBERED STOCK] [Receiver serial prefix is a LATIN "I" when all other numbers are script "J" and matching] ["LK5" marked on stock] ["20" on grip flat in 5mm case]

"K" Series - The configuration is identical to the "J" series, above. It can be assumed that the first 5,000 were accepted in the last week of May, 1940. The remainder of the approximately 31,750 unit were accepted in the first three weeks of June. This would indicate a cyclic rate approaching 8,000 units per-week. Perhaps 60% were marked ManuFrance, with the others being St Etienne. [Pristine rifles can be encountered even among low-numbered examples, indicating that many were never issued]:

K 617 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-Bayonet is stamped with full serial number upon the barrel & "17" upon the cap
K 1623 Unknown /receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 2043 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 2502 May 1940 (Reported)
K 2531 Unknown 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 3074 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 3184 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps /Barrel top-"E" & circle "G" /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 [Beech stock with original serial number and cartouche which has a "K" over-stamping its "MA"] ["LK5 marked stock] [MANUFRANCE]
K 3462 Unknown /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940
K 5XXX June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",MF [MANUFRANCE] (Date and receiver markings - Reported)
K 5445 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps (receiver stamps reported)
K 6056 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"MF,"E",L,M, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 [MANUFRANCE]
K 6237 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 66XX Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 7227 June 1940 /"E",MF, stamps [MANUFRANCE] (Date & S/N eyes-on, receiver stamps Reported)
K 8052 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 8493 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock]
K 9341 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel flat "A" MAS 1940 (Barreled-receiver)
K 9703 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver [bayonet end-cap marked "03"]
K 9909 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 10811 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 10891 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 11569 June 1940 /"E",MF [MANUFRANCE] (Receiver stamps Reported)
K 117XX Unknown /MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 12185 June 1940 /MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 13089 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps /Barrel flat "A" MF 1940 [MANUFRANCE]
K 15560 June 1940 [Bolt from K 31757, below] [Bayonet #60]
K 17337 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 18985 June 1940 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
K 19786 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 202XX June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps /Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 [MANUFRANCE]
K 20348 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [Bayonet #48]
K 20829 June 1940
K 22014 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 22130 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 22611 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 22625 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver ["LK5" marked stock]
K 23391 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 24453 June 1940 (Reported)
K 24592 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver
K 25729 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 25980 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 27071 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps ["LK5" marked stock]
K 28218 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 28278 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps [MANUFRANCE]
K 31567 Unknown /1940 barrel date (Reported)
K 31757 Unknown [REF: K 15560, above, has the K 31757 bolt]

"L" Series - These were Configured as the "J" and "K" series, with the possible addition of the improved Type 1c upper-band found upon some of the late June "K"s. (a millstep increased the bearing surface for the threads of the attaching shear-pin) Only three pre-Armistice "L"s have been reported, with only the one dated:

L 2421 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1940
L 3357 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
L 35XX June 1940 (Reported)
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June 22 through 25 of 1940 marked the end of serial production until the fall of 1944 when post-Liberation assemblage was resumed.
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A] - Assorted receiver stamps and "E" final proof.
B] - Barrel-top stamps and "E" initial proof. The additional shop stamp occures upon MAS barrels only. The third and fourth barrels are from a June, 1938 and a March, 1938 rifle, respectively. Note the full serial number on the earlier barrel and the Shield "G" shop stamps.
C] - Barrel flat: The transverse one/two letter stamp indicates the steel provider. The longitudinal code is the manufacturer and the date is when the barrel was initially accepted.
D] - Three matching rifles, all of the Type 1 in every regard.
E] - The weak side of the same rifles.

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#8 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:50 am

VIII: MAS Mle 1936 Tir reduit 5.5L.

Perhaps the most extravagant military trainer manufactured in wartime, it was made for and accepted by the French Army under Vichy. No serial production of the standard MAS Mle 1936 appears between June, 1940 and October of 1944. But this unique, full sized .22 rimfire training rifle was fabricated from the late summer of 1941 until, perhaps, the summer of 1942. Initially produced at a leisurely pace approaching 1,500 units per month, this elegant firearm was the earliest reported series to incorporate those design changes that would distinguish the post-Liberation rifles. The Modified Type 2 rear sight assembly, Type 2 (bolt-stop) follower, Type 2 Factory receiver, bolt-cap and the 2 digit serialization of the bayonet, all were standard. The Type 1b upper-band was utilized for production and not repair. Only the hinged Type 1 lower-band remained unchanged:

Tir reduit

# 146 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver ["S"@3 o'clock]
# 244 September 1941 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly /Type 2 magazine follower ["S"@3 o'clock]
# 486 Unknown /Unprefixed Walnut butt-stock & forearm numbered. (Reported that they came from a Tir reduit)
# 489 Unknown /Type 2 lower band (Reportedly from this rifle)
# 923 September 1941 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly /Type 2 magazine follower
# 1036 Unknown [Reported]
# 1432 September 1941 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly /Type 2 magazine follower [Two digit bayonet serialization]
# 14XX Unknown /First Type 2 lower-band (forged ring style) [Reported]
# 2721 October 1941 [Reported]
# 3362 November 1941 /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly ["S"@3 o'clock]
# 3472 November 1941 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-sterile-(devoid of any marking) /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly /Type 2 magazine follower [Two digit bayonet serialization]
# 4439 December 1941 /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly
A cycle break began in 1942 and when production was resumed in May, more units were fabricated that month than the combined total for the initial four months
# 5981 May 1942 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly ["S"@3 o'clock]
# 12785 May 1942 ["S"@3 o'clock]
# 14046 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 Modified rear sight assembly /Type 2 magazine follower

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#9 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:53 am

**IX: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936 (Continued) "The List" - Post-Liberation/Post-War

Post-Liberation: If the St Etienne records were lost, hidden or destroyed, as we are led to believe, then ManuFrance may have provided the basis for the restart of the "K" and "L" blocks. It should be expected that records remain for all of the post-Liberation/War production. What follows will be abbreviated when compared with the pre-Armistice recording. We are left with so few that were not extensively reworked, either officially or in the course of their service, that only a sketch of the correct configuration and production dates remains. What occurs below is collected as a reference, to be held against those records, if they should be proffered in a useable format:

Continuation "K" Series - Similar to the pre-Armistice rifles, but now assembled by St Etienne with some contributions from Chattelerault, (marked "MAC" upon the rear of the sight base). The Type 2 Modified rear sight and two digit serial numbered bayonet are now standard. The early Type 2 upper-band and Type 2 stamped triggerguard are first reported upon the K 90121 matching rifle.

K 319XX October 1944 /Barrel flat-1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base [Type 1 sight leaf & slider] [Reported]
K 32430 Unknown /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base
K 45054 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1940 [Reported]
K 60166 Unknown /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940
K 61223 Unknown /C.R. 39 receiver
K 63785 Unknown /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight /Type 2 lower-band [Walnut stocks]
K 64857 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight
K 79447 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"FY" MAS 1945
K 884XX Unknown /Barrel flat-MAT 1945 [Reported]
K 90121 Unknown /Type2 band 1st model-1.5mm metal [Earliest Reported] & Type 2 Receiver /Type 2 rear sight /Type 2 lower-band /Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 2 stamped triggerguard [Earliest Verified] /Barrel flat-1945 [Reported] [Walnut stocks]
K 93201 Unknown /Barrel flat-"FY" MAS 1945 [Reported]
K 94536 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"FY" MAS 1945 [Reported]
K 99798 Unknown /Type 2 receiver

Continuation "L" Series - Chronologically this series began right at the end of the War, ETO. Only the first few thousand would have been issued in time for the 'official belligerencies'. They were as the "K"s, but with the Type 2 rear sight largely replacing the Modified configuration. The cast Type 1d upper-band, with a straight piling hook welded to the doubler-strip, is now encountered.

L 9663 Unknown /Type 1 (milled) magazine-plate
L 13025 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAT 1945 [Reported]
L 13352 May 1945 /Type 1d band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 lower-band
L 20287 Unknown Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 1 triggerguard /Type 2 follower & Type 2 lower-band [stoved and painted] [Beech forearm]
L 27313 Unknown /Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1945
L 43911 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 rear sight /Type 3 lower-band /Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 1 triggerguard /Black enameled finish
L 441XX Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1945
L 514XX Unknown /Barrel flat-MAT 1940 [Reported]
L 64782 Unknown 1945 [Reported]
L 65371 Unknown /Barrel flat-1945 [Reported]
L 65625 September 1945 ["S"@3 o'clock]
L 65693 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver /Type 2 rear sight [Walnut stocks]
L 72170 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Stamped Type 2 triggerguard [Walnut stocks]
L 72800 September 1945 [Beech stocks]
L 72943 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-MAT 1945 /Type 2 rear sight [Reported]
L 79221 October 1945 ["S"@3 o'clock]
L 83653 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight /Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 1 triggerguard [Walnut stocks]
L 839XX October 1945
L 910XX Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-1945 [Reported]
L 98598 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1945 ["MAC" marked upon aft face of rear sight base]

"M" Series - This unit block was completed in 7 or 8 months. The Type 2 upper-band, Type 2 receiver, Type 3 lower-band and Type 2 rear sight appear to be standard, but the magazine-plate and triggerguards were in transition toward the Type 2 stampings. The finish was mixed, from paint, heavy paint, and pickling, to light smooth Parkerization.

M 23XX Unknown /Barrel flat-1945 [Reported]
M 7977 Unknown 1945
M 12389 December 1945 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Walnut butt-stock & beech forearm, matching S/N]
M 128XX Unknown /Barrel flat-1945 [Reported]
M 13911 Unknown /Type 1 magazine-plate
M 18372 January 1946 [Reported]
M 21433 January 1946 ["S"@3 o'clock] /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Painted finish] [Walnut stocks]
M 22001 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & Triggerguard [Script S/Ns match these to the receiver]
M 25965 February Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Matching] [Walnut stocks]
M 27922 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Beech stocks]
M 28428 Unknown 1946 /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Beech stocks] [Mixed finish with both paint & pickle]
M 32282 February 1946 /Type 2 band (thin casting) & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 rear sight /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & Triggerguard [Barrel "G" marked but not rebated] [Reported] [Heavily painted finish] [Walnut stocks]
M 33001 February Unknown /Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 2 triggerguard [Walnut stocks]
M 35437 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard
M 36593 March 1946 /Type 1 magazine-plate & Type 2 triggerguard
M 435XX March Unknown [Reported]
M 49760 April 1946 /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1946
M 50399 Unknown ["MAC' marked upon aft face of rear sight base]
M 59628 April 1946
M 59812 Unknown /Type 2 triggerguard [Beech stocks]
M 61474 Unknown /Barrel flat-1946 [Reported]
M 692XX Unknown /Barrel flat-1946 [Reported]
M 79798 June 1946 /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Walnut stocks]
M 87195 July 1946 ["S"@3 o'clock]
M 88590 July 1946 ["S"@3 o'clock] [Reported]
M 91566 July 1946 /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Walnut butt-stock & beech forewood] [Mixed finish with both paint & light smooth Parkerization]
M 91762 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 (stamped) magazine-plate & Type 2 (stamped) triggerguard [painted] [Beech stocks]

"N" Series - Whether enduring multiple production cycle-breaks or sporadic orders, the line rate was drastically reduced for this series. Type seems to fix with the components familiar until the end of the script blocks. Paint versus Parkerization was not completely decided, but phosphated parts were becoming more common, as were entire firearms. The last third of the run incorporated the new "G" marked, rebated barrels.

N 23738 December 1946 /Barrel flat-1946 (reported) /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 triggerguard [Beech stocks] [Painted finish]
N 55448 September 1947 /Type 2 band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Beech stocks]
N 56930 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Beech stocks] [Stoved finish]
N 581XX Unknown /Barrel flat-1946 [Reported]
N 60584 Unknown Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1947 /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard ["G" marked barrel with rebated muzzle thought first to have appeared in 1948] [Painted]
N 72000 Unknown [Unpainted, smooth Parkerization]
N 72977 April 1948
N 75780 Unknown 1948 /Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1948 ["G" marked barrel with rebated muzzle] [Beech stocks]
N 76822 Unknown /All Type 2 features
N 84263 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Light smooth Parkerization]
N 84407 Unknown /Type 3 lower-band /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard ["LG"48 configured]

"P" Series -

P 3469 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard
P 15559 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard
P 24489 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard
P 35455 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard [Parkerized] [Beech stocks]
P 435XX Unknown /Barrel flat-"AS" MAT 1949
P 45654 Unknown [Beech stocks] ["LG"48 configured]

"Q" Series -

Q 945 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & triggerguard
Q 306X April 1950
Q 12073 Unknown /Type 1 magazine-plate [Milled] & Type 3 triggerguard [Cast] [Beech stocks]
Q 20040 Unknown ["LG 48 configured]
Q 45974 Unknown /receiver-"E",B,G, stamps /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 2 triggerguard [Beech stocks]
Q 48298 Unknown /Type 2 band & receiver-"E",B,G, stamps /Type 2 triggerguard
Q 59326 Unknown 1951 /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver-"E",B,G, stamps /Barrel flat-MAS 1951 (reported) [Beech stocks]
Q 63912 Unknown /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard [Cast]
Q 67830 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard-"E",B,G, stamps ["LG" 48 configured] [Beech stocks]
Q 93712 Unknown ["LG" 48 configured]

"FG" Series (LATIN PREFIX block-letters) -

FG 3072 July 1951 ["LG" 48 configured]
FG 299XX Unknown ["LG" 48 configured]
FG 43229 Unknown /Barrel flat-1951 [Reported]
FG 483XX Unknown ["LG" 48 configured]
FG 80990 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1952 [Reported]

"FH" Series (LATIN PREFIX block-letters) -

FH 8043 July 1952 /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard [Cast] [Beech stocks]
FH 11XXX Unknown /Barrel flat-"FYa" MAS 1952 [Reported]
FH 12811 July 1952
FH 25845 September 1952
FH 25965 September 1952
FH 490XX Unknown ["LG" 48 configured]
FH 51402 December 1952 ["S"@3 o'clock]/Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard [Cast] [Beech stocks]
FH 54001 Unknown /Type 3 triggerguard
FH 58219 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard
FH 58609 January 1953 /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard
FH 600XX February 1953 ["LG" 48 configured]
[January 1954 /Change in serial number placement-Master number moved to the rear vertical millstep, butt-stock number to above the sling-bar & forearm number stamped laterally]
FH 76350 Unknown /["LG" 48 configured]
FH 81760 January 1954 /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 2 triggerguard ["S"@3 o'clock]
FH 88336 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1954 (Reported)
FH 90634 March 1954 /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard.

"FJ" Series (LATIN PREFIX block-letters) -

FJ 00416 July 1956 /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver-"E",B,G, stamps /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard [Beech stocks]
FJ 00582 July 1956 /Type 2 band & Type 2 receiver-"E",B,G, stamps [Beech stocks]
FJ 11435 December 1956 ["S"@3 o'clock]

BELOW: The post-Liberation/War script prefix letters are illustrated for the best available, (to me), photograghs

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#10 Post by Popeye » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:54 am

***X: MAS Mle 1936-51:

This was a purpose-built grenade launching rifle, with a unique model designation and serial number range. Something less than 150,000 units were produced concurrently with the last of the Mle 1936 rifles. The dates of fabrication/acceptance seem to span from 1953 until 1959.

MAS Mle 1936-51

"F" Series (LATIN PREFIX block-letters)

F 115XX Unknown 1953
F 19307 November 1953 /Type 2 magazine-plate /"E",B,G, stamps ["S"@3 o'clock] [1st confirmation of revised serial number placement]
F 20033 November 1953 /Beech stocks
F 22126 Unknown 1953
The revised serial number placement appears to have become standard by late 1953 or the beginning of 1954
F 22705 January 1954 /Beech stocks
F 27046 March 1954 [Reported]
F 27541 March 1954 /Type 2 (stamped) magazine-plate & Type 3 (cast) triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
F 28564 Unknown 1954 /Type 2 (stamped) magazine-plate & Type 3 (cast) triggerguard /Beech stocks
F 48260 January 1955 /Beech stocks
F 48577 January 1955 /Type 3 (cast) triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
F 54519 Unknown /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard
F 600XX Unknown 1955 /Barrel-1963 /Walnut stocks [Reported]
F 62568 Unknown 1955 [Reported]
F 733XX December 1955 /Beech stocks [Reported]
F 73790 December 1955 /Beech stocks
F 75453 January 1956 /Beech stocks
F 82753 Unknown /Type 2 (stamped) magazine-plate & Type 3 (cast) triggerguard /Beech stocks
F 87129 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 87220 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92666 July 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92681 July 1956 /Receiver-"E",B,G, stamps
F 94138 August 1956 /Type 2 (stamped) magazine-plate & Type 3 (cast) triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
F 94830 September 1956
F 94988 September 1956 /Beech stocks
F 95014 September 1956 /Walnut stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
F 95923 September 1956
F 96720 September 1956 /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
F 96877 September 1956 /Walnut stocks
F 99218 October 1956 /Walnut stocks

"G" Series (LATIN PREFIX block-letters)

G 4063 February 1957 [Reported] /Beech butt-stock ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 4141 Unknown 1957 /Beech stocks
G 5127 March 1957 /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 11205 June 1957 /Receiver-"E",B,F, stamps /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 14028 Unknown /Receiver-"E",B,F, stamps /Beech stocks
G 16469 August 1957 /Receiver-"E",B,F, stamps /Type 2 magazine-plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 17746 September 1957 /Beech stocks
G 18225 September 1957 /Receiver-"E",B,F, stamps /Type 2 magazine plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks ["S"@3 o'clock]
G 18687 September 1957 /Type 2 magazine plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks
G 19051 October 1957
G 20781 October 1957 [Reported]
G 20782 October 1957
G 2117X October 1957 /Beech stocks
G 23942 November 1957
G 24213 Unknown /Beech stocks
G 27027 Unknown 1958 /Beech stocks
G 28915 February 1958
G 32453 April 1958 /Beech stocks
G 36310 Unknown 1958 /Type 2 magazine plate & Type 3 triggerguard /Beech stocks
G 42075 September 1958 /Beech stocks
G 44201 September 1958 /Beech stocks
G 45046 November 1958
G 45258 November 1958
G 46063 November 1958
G 46423 January 1959 /Beech stocks
G 46440 January 1959 [Reported]
G 47428 Unknown [Reported] [Highest reported serial number as of 04042012]

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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#11 Post by nrobertb » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:56 pm

I have F809xx
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Re: COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936

#12 Post by garra » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:22 pm

I have FG99138

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