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Mas 36 stock cartouche

#1 Post by National Match » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:44 am

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Can anyone help me identify what this cartouche signifies, please?

Also, would it be found on a MAS 36 rifle? or perhaps a later model?

I have a very faint marking on mine like the one in this picture but I can barely make it out.

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Re: Mas 36 stock cartouche

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:58 pm

Here is a nice video about the Mas 36 and the date cartouche. Your rifle is a Mas 36/51 with the grenade launching rings on the barrel. see this list that is nuts, but has some nice pictures of a MAS 36/51: http://www.ponyexpressfirearms.com/prod ... ifle-used/

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The cartouche of is found on most rifles not redone, black finish. QUOTE :arrow: "Black paint was used until the early 1950's on production rifles and they used a Iron type phosphated finish under the paint which was not evenly applied, since it was going to be painted and varnished. They did not try to get an even coating but just enough to etch the metal so that the paint would adhere properly. The latest series that has been observed with black paint is the "P" series in 1949, along with a couple of early "Q" series guns from the same year. Heavy Zinc-Phosphate was used after 1950. Full parkerizing" began sometime in 1950." Quote source is ...see common questions
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An example of an early Mas 36 and stock cartouche & some nice links:
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COLLECTIVE SURVEY of the MAS Mle 1936
Post by Popeye » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:37 pm
From orcmastiffs - Oct 25, 2006
SEE :idea: :arrow: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11

Great information and pictures here: http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20MAS%2036.html

Some good info on the rifle and its use;
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/201 ... rench-use/
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/201 ... ort-users/

http://www.virdea.net/french/36.html

Common Questions:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/paralla ... 32079.html



In the US, most Mas 36 rifles with import marks seem to be a refurbished version of the MAS36 from around 2000-2005. The have a like new, unissued look with a Phosphate finish with the bolt matching the receiver number. However, the trigger strap and the floor plate may have ground and smoothed over metal to remove the original serial number. In some examples the floor plate is blank, but the trigger strap number is left intact as a miss match. The unissued in the wrap rifles may have arsenal tags and are in excellent condition with mint bores. If in the wrap, they are in original French caliber (7.5). The bayonet # generally does not match. The rifle has serial number on the receiver that is force matched by restamp on the bolt handle. The stock is refinished and generally the dated, MAS stamped, round stock cartouche is sanded away or only slightly visible. Some rifles are in original 7.5 French, but then Century Arms and their gunsmith monkeys converted a large number of these to .308 and are bad news for function. In the US there are some bring backs lacking import numbers and in well worn condition, but all matching, with the original sling and the black paint still present.
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Re: Mas 36 stock cartouche

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:53 pm

More photos from on line sources:
7.5 French original caliber import marked rifles Mas 36 & Mas 36/51
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Century Arms .308 modified/import marked, butchered Mas 36
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info about .308 dogs: viewtopic.php?t=830


Black finish on non import marked bring back
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Re: Mas 36 stock cartouche

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:59 pm

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