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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:34 pm 
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2/06/06 at 07:49 PM


Ok gang, how do I tell if the Turk I got is a 1893 or 1903 model?


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2/06/06 at 07:53 PM


1893 turk cocks on closing just like a swedish mauser or british enfield. 1903 turk cocks on opening just like a k98 mauser or yugo mauser. 1893 has only two lugs on the bolt. 1903 has the third safety lug just like a k98 mauser or yugo mauser.


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2/06/06 at 08:36 PM

which parts are the lugs?



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2/06/06 at 10:02 PM


Look on the underside of the bolt where the handle meets the bolt body. If there's a little square projecting from the bolt, that's a 98 action bolt. If there's a little indentation, it's a '93.


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2/07/06 at 01:23 AM


The '93 is an 1893 style Mauser and the -03 is a '98. As was mentioned the '93 cocks when you push the bolt closed, while the '98 cocks as you open the bolt. Here is a Turk -03 next to a '93 Mauser:
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1. Note that the -03 Turk (left) is a large ring that is the front ring if the receiver is larger in diameter than the rest of the receiver, while the '93 (on the right) is a small ring, that is to say, the front ring of the receiver is the same diameter as the rest of the receiver.

2. The -03 Turks are unusual in that they heva a bullet nose cutout in the rear of the front ring.

3. The -03 Turks also have an unusual bolt stop, that curls up and forms part of the stripper clip slot, unlike most '98 Mausers that have a bolt stop just like the '93 model.

Here are the bolts removed:
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Note that the '98 (the -03 Turk on the left) has three locking lugs, (numbered) while the rear locking lug on the '93 (on the right) is missing. That third locking lug only comes into play when the front two fail. Apparently that happened enough between '93 and '98 so ol Paul Mauser thought it was a good idea.

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2/07/06 at 01:28 AM


Wonderful pics -- it doesn't get any clearer.


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2/07/06 at 06:36 AM


The locking lugs are the two rectangular studs that come out of the side of the bolt barrel. One has the extractor over it. If there is a third stud on the opposite end of the bolt you have an 03. If that area is bare you have a 93.

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Also, if the front of the bolt has a flat surface that juts down, its 1893. The gas holes in the bolt are a dead giveaway. There is also the 1938, which is yet again a different bolt size. That one is best told just by seeing how long the bolt is.


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Thanks again guys, looks like I've definitely got the 1903 model.

Might I suggest pinning this one due to the EXCELLENT reference material?


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2/17/06 at 10:25 PM


Thanks again to JeffS for the excellent reference material, and to Burner for pinning this!


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This site covers Turks preety well

http://turkmauser.com


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SgtRage
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Ok gang, how do I tell if the Turk I got is a 1893 or 1903 model?


mrbullseye
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2/06/06 at 07:53 PM


1893 turk cocks on closing just like a swedish mauser or british enfield. 1903 turk cocks on opening just like a k98 mauser or yugo mauser. 1893 has only two lugs on the bolt. 1903 has the third safety lug just like a k98 mauser or yugo mauser.


SgtRage
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2/06/06 at 08:36 PM

which parts are the lugs?



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2/06/06 at 10:02 PM


Look on the underside of the bolt where the handle meets the bolt body. If there's a little square projecting from the bolt, that's a 98 action bolt. If there's a little indentation, it's a '93.


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The '93 is an 1893 style Mauser and the -03 is a '98. As was mentioned the '93 cocks when you push the bolt closed, while the '98 cocks as you open the bolt. Here is a Turk -03 next to a '93 Mauser:
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1. Note that the -03 Turk (left) is a large ring that is the front ring if the receiver is larger in diameter than the rest of the receiver, while the '93 (on the right) is a small ring, that is to say, the front ring of the receiver is the same diameter as the rest of the receiver.

2. The -03 Turks are unusual in that they heva a bullet nose cutout in the rear of the front ring.

3. The -03 Turks also have an unusual bolt stop, that curls up and forms part of the stripper clip slot, unlike most '98 Mausers that have a bolt stop just like the '93 model.

Here are the bolts removed:
Image


Note that the '98 (the -03 Turk on the left) has three locking lugs, (numbered) while the rear locking lug on the '93 (on the right) is missing. That third locking lug only comes into play when the front two fail. Apparently that happened enough between '93 and '98 so ol Paul Mauser thought it was a good idea.

- Jeff


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2/07/06 at 01:28 AM


Wonderful pics -- it doesn't get any clearer.


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2/07/06 at 06:36 AM


The locking lugs are the two rectangular studs that come out of the side of the bolt barrel. One has the extractor over it. If there is a third stud on the opposite end of the bolt you have an 03. If that area is bare you have a 93.

Dave


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2/07/06 at 12:31 PM


Also, if the front of the bolt has a flat surface that juts down, its 1893. The gas holes in the bolt are a dead giveaway. There is also the 1938, which is yet again a different bolt size. That one is best told just by seeing how long the bolt is.


SgtRage
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2/07/06 at 07:31 PM


Thanks again guys, looks like I've definitely got the 1903 model.

Might I suggest pinning this one due to the EXCELLENT reference material?


SgtRage
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2/17/06 at 10:25 PM


Thanks again to JeffS for the excellent reference material, and to Burner for pinning this!


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This site covers Turks preety well

http://turkmauser.com


SOME '93'S HAVE THE REMAINS OF A MAGAZINE CUTOFF REVEALED FROM INSIDE THE WOODWORK to the right of where the opened bolt would be...it will be a little rectangle of metal fush with the wood surface. Intact cutoffs on these are "snarfed up" as they are scarce. They were originally in 7.65 mm and having one in that caliber with a cuttoff is the golden fleece of C & R.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:41 pm 
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The 1903 Turk bolt handle knob does NOT connect to the handle shaft with sharp corners but with a radial inside curve. Sort of pear shaped like.
The bolt stop extension to the top of stripper clip guide (which normally is high like a Peruvian 98) is so that old 1890 type stripper can be used. The Turkish 1893's have the same hıgh bolt-stop extension.
The bolt collar over the cocking piece of 1903 is almost similar to the 98 while 93 is more slender where it screws onto the bolt.
The top barrel band looks the same on both, and bayonet stud is underneath the band about 3/4" away from the barrel, NOT jutting from the tip of the stock adjacent to the barrel like a '98.
1903 has a thumb cut out on the left receiver wall while an original 93 (one not reworked by AS.FA.) does not.

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Not sure who's photo this is, (This is the larger lowest photo, attachment 3) but I saved it many moons ago (2008) from on line on my desk top and have noticed all photos in the sticky are gone. So it's not my photo and I am not sure even if this was one of the original photos. But this sticky needs a photo so I pasted it in : SOURCE unknow, but its a great photo
Top bolt is a 98 style or like a 1903 bolt and the lower bolt is an 1893 style bolt. Both are mauser bolts. I hope this is ok since it was from an unknown on line source not a book.

Here is the Hoosier reference guide on Mauser Actions with photos a good source to view:
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/ ... rence.html

reference on 1893 Turk mauser see http://www.turkmauser.com/93/
reference on a 1903 Turk Mauser see http://www.turkmauser.com/03/

Here is a reference with just bolt Mauser bolts shown another great source:
http://www.turkmauser.com/parts/bolt/boltBody.aspx
The above link is the Best source because photos enlarge for details, see first line for 1893 vs 1903 styles
these 2 lower, smaller photos are from above source Photo attachment 1 & 2, see it for many more:
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Too Bad about the Missing Pictures
Where do they go to anyway???
Just not the Same without the Pictures...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:32 pm 
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If you use a hosting agent like" photobucket" and the site goes down or the photos are deleted by the user to make room for more photos--POOF, the photos disappear in the links to the forum. If you post as an attachment through the forum method, they are permanently placed in the post.
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With a typical K Kale M38 Turk Mauser- Any 98 style bolt body will do (Assuming its headspace is fine)...

Where you run into problems is a Turkish Model 1903. "The 1903 is a large ring, 1898 style, Mauser, but with a 1893 style small shank barrel." ... "This is an intermediate length action and the bolt and magazine are 0.2 inches shorter than a standard length 98 action. The receiver face is, coincidentally, 0.2 longer than a 98. Other intermediates include the M24 by FN, the Yugoslavian Models 47, 48 and several South American contract rifles."

The Model 1903 is easily recognized by the 'hump' for the stripper clip guide...

Great source of info: http://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx

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I agree with what Palomino is saying. If it is a standard K Kale, any standard 98 bolt will work. But, if it turns out to be a 1903 Turk, you will need an intermediate length bolt.
1903s have the external dimensions of a standard length Mauser 98, but the internals of an intermediate length Mauser 98. Intermediate Mausers being VZS24, Brazilian 1922, Peruvian 1909(identical to 1903 Turk except for receiver not counterbored), Yugos M24/47, M48.
source see: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=465



Outside differences 1903 vs 1938

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4FMEjiK5s

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:00 am 
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^^ So..If you are not going to maintain your Account...your "stuff" disappears?...Sad.
Thanks for that info...maybe it is better to Upload attachments? ...I always thought I was saving bandwidth, by hosting my own...but, ...i guess it would be a Problem if my "host" went away!!!!
Thanks for the info...Now...the OP needs to care enough to maintain their Post...huh?


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